The Official Masters Of Horror Thread (MERGED)

Discussion in 'General' started by Crystal Plumage, Jan 27, 2005.

  1. a) Eat me, my opinion is just as valid as yours.

    b) I don't think calling a movie PREDICTABLE is an idiotic reason for disliking it.

    There was nothing special about the cinematography. The lighting sucked, the way the film was shot sucked. Steven Weber was horrible in the lead role. Jenifer was not creepy or scary at all and her every move was telegraphed about ten minutes before she did it. I expect better from the director of Suspiria than some second rate shitty predictable PORN, cause that's all this story was...an excuse to show Steven Weber fucking a freak for an hour. And don't call me an idiot when you've made some rather idiotic statements yourself in the past.
     
  2. DeathDealer

    DeathDealer I Inhale Horror

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    Woah, the only thing that was valid was your idea of it being Predictable.

    Talking about kissing Argento's ass, and Jenifer being a Sleepwalker was really valid. :rolleyes: Yeah Right!!!

    Point A is such an immature statement.

    It just seemed as if you were attacking the film for the hell of it.

    Only now, have you begun to give actual points that make SENSE.
     
  3. The point being all I have to say is I hated it and I'm allowed to think that without backing it up and I shouldn't be called idiotic for comparing Jenifer to a sleepwalker when that's clearly the look they were going for.
     
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    Just finished watching it on Scream,i thought it was the most creepy episode to date.I just want to know more about Jenifer,what kind of creature is she?Great intestines eating sequences :D I think she's hot too :evil:
     
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    I just realized that I own the copy of CREEPY from where "Jenifer" originated. I can't wait to see it!
     
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    I just finished it on Scream as well, and Nicotero's effects work was standout as always. It was pretty shocking seeing
    a small child eviscerated so graphically.
    It had some nice visual flash by Argento, and Simonetti's score was hauntingly beautiful. But the script, ugh. A little more story for Jenifer herself would have been appreciated, but my big gripes were more on the huge logical flaws.

    Like what did Webber have to gain in staying with her? It establishes that his sex life is on the rocks at the start, but he never seems to be enjoying himself with Jenifer, doing it more out of duty to her. Despite all the sex he has in the movie, it never seems the least bit turned on. He seems like a stand-up guy, so why he'd quit his job and forget about his family seems a little questionable. At first I thought perhaps it was a devotion he shared with Jenifer, but then what does he do? He tries to send her off to a freakshow! This is extra funny and illogical, considering how he thought keeping her in a mental institution wasn't right, but freely elected to lock her up in a cage for paying customers. What?

    The ending was TALES FROM THE CRYPT obvious, but the way Argento held that final shot made it work for me. He has a talent to make any cliche ring with artistic power.

    Anyway, I enjoyed it for what it was, and will definitely keep tuning in when the other biggies like Carpenter and Cohen turn up.
     
  7. indiephantom

    indiephantom Horny Spirit

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    :blabla: Wow! I thought it was the best episode. Loved it...I do agree that the music could have been a bit more engaging...there were some highlights in it, but the soundtrack was a bit lacking. That's where the negative ends for me. This was a stellar episode!!!

    **SPOILERS**SPOILER WARNING!!!

    The most uninhibited so far. It was more like a twisted metaphoric erotic funhouse ride. :D The professionalism of the series really shone through this time. It really was another example of feature quality work.

    Come on guys! Those compositions were fantastic! That's something I always look for in my Argento. He'll put the camera anywhere and he really keeps me interested just by his bold choices. The acting in this is miles above what we've seen in most Argento films and for once I was glad to see him just tell a more straightforward narrative. I knew what was coming in the end, but I still thought that was the perfect way to finish. The cycle begins again. It's a classic horror finish. Evil comes in many forms and we often fall for people and vices that can destroy our lives. We're reckless and that's what makes horror work....the whole thing was so stylish, funny, wacky, grotesque, uncannily perverse (child murder)...and yes, that Jenifer can fuck over my life any time...it kind of made me realize that most guys are more turned on by a hot body than a hot face. Of course, us pervs would probably also settle for this girl who was more of a non-domesticated housepet that a girlfriend. She was really like the cat IN HEAT...which is why that particular animal was pretty freaked by her.

    Really loved the early scene that showed how much Weber's character was looking for something a bit more "edgy" in his sex life. He's thinking of Jenifer's ass being bent over when she was about to be killed! Then he tries to force anal sex on his wife...now that's a fucking scene, folks. Jenifer was the willing sex servant and also willing to let him indulge in alcohol and be the fuckup without penalty. She was a HOMEWRECKER in a true sense of the word...with a taste for meat. :evil:


    Anyway, this is the most excited I've been by an Argento film since his half of "Two Evil Eyes". He's still got it.

    And you guys gotta start playing nice...why are you making the debates personal? :argue: The clear sign that this series is interesting and on its way to becoming one of the most important works in horror in some time IS THE FACT THAT WE DON'T ALL SEE HORROR the same way. It's not a generic genre like so many people who don't appreciate it are always saying. I think all the episodes so far have their supporters and I like hearing what does and doesn't work for everyone, but nobody should be bashed for an opinion either negative or positive. But if you didn't like this episode...you're nuts. :lol:
     
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  8. baggio

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    I surprised there isn't more people chiming in on this topic. I guess alot don't have showtime because you would think these episodes would be more of an intrest to horror fans.

    P.S. - I guess only a couple of us had noticed the Argento styles in this weeks episode Jenifer. The colors, the music score,. Including Luna, who mentioned the nod to the Psycho score. Regardless if anybody liked the the movie or not, I thought these small points were really cool. This was really the only episode so far where you could tell it was made by a specific director. Dreams in the Witch-House by Gordon was a close second. The other two in my opinion , your wouldn't know who directed them unless you were told.
     
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    Yeah, that's very true. I think Gordon's is a very very close second: the material, look, and tone were very much in keeping with his style.

    It seems likely most people are avoiding this thread until they can check out the episodes on DVD. I too am a bit surprised that there isn't more feedback, as we'd get if these channels were available to more posters.
     
  10. Cujo108

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    Just caught Jenifer tonight. I thought it was decent, but nothing more. The makeup job on Jenifer's face was pretty grotesque, and her kills were pretty nasty as well. Some of Argento's trademark style managed to shine through, though I thought it was much more evident in The Card Player, a film that many say feels nothing like Argento (I totally disagree). That said, the storyline in general left a bit to be desired. I don't mind a simple plot, but I just didn't find it all that compelling, and some of the situations throughout didn't ring true to me.
    Stuff like Weber forgetting all about his family and getting all cuddly with Jenifer after she's just eaten someone, not to mention him moving away and giving up his life rather than turning her back into the asylum or just killing her.
    The flow of the episode also wasn't the greatest, and I found myself getting bored with the sex scenes. Aside from Weber, the acting wasn't very good either.

    An rather entertaining episode, but it's the weakest one yet IMO.
     
  11. indiephantom

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    I see many people (here and in other forums) discussing their main problem as being
    That he leaves the family and quits his job...to me it's like an allegory. He's drinking and he's got a new woman who's ruining his life. She's an addiction he can't kick. Look at his face and the man who was involved with her before him. They look like shit. People leave their families all the time and usually it's for something as simple as booze or a little poon-tang, and this guy's getting both. There's also his feeling of having shot the guy. He's torn up inside.

    But also we have the supernatural element. Jenifer has marked him. That cut on his hand is the key.

    Don't forget Argento films never really make a lot of sense. Recall the ending of "Opera" or the choices any of the characters make in a dozen of his films. It's more about being caught up in a wickedly demented nightmare.

    But at the same time, he is a hit or miss director. Some of his films just don't work for me as well as others...but this wasn't one of those and it was the most fun I've had from him in awhile.
     
  12. eric_angelus

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    I enjoyed the Argento episode. Despite some flaws, it has a nice mean streak to it and was alot of fun to watch.
     
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    I agree on a lot of your points indiephantom
    Argento films are filmed that way. Its the style that we love. Regardless of the storyline.
     
  14. DrHerbertWest

    DrHerbertWest For Your Health

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    Exactly. If I could afford Showtime, I would be glued to the screen. Guess I'm waiting for DVD. :cry:
     
  15. Behemoth

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    I really liked the Argento episode. I found it very disturbing at times (which is a good thing). I think that everyone who's read a few horror short stories or seen a few Tales from the Crypt episodes will probably guess how it's going to end early on, but I didn't really mind that. The only thing I didn't like about this episode was the performance of non-actress Cynthia Garris, wife of Mick. I don't mind him casting her in his own mediocre movies/TV series (which I don't care much about anyway), but there's no reason Argento should have to have her in his episode, IMO. :mad: ;)
     
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    You won't have to wait too long. Its coming to dvd in February 2006.
     
  17. DrHerbertWest

    DrHerbertWest For Your Health

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    Wow, awesome news. Thanks baggio! I would've assumed it would be quite a while.
     
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    I loved Argento's episode. I don't really see why people have a problem with the fact that the concept has been done before. I mean Yay! you predicted the ending, you want a friggin trophy? it's the ride between the opening and closing scenes that counts IMO and it was a great ride.
     
  19. David Lo Pan

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    I'm forced to wait until Friday the 25th to watch the Argento; my old box took a shit and died finally. At least I'll be able to see two new episodes back-to-back. I'm eager to check Jenifer out, it sounds good to me. We'll see about that Mick Garris...
     
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    In case anyone was interested. (which I did not know until, my friend just told me)
    Jenifer was short story from a comic book called Creepy from the 70's. It was written by Bruce Jones, and illustrated by Bernie Wrightson.




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