Rob Zombies Halloween III

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  1. shape22

    shape22 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I've seen them. In my opinion, his movies are totally devoid of scares, but full of unpleasantness. At his best, some of it can be semi-amusing in a sick way (as in The Devil's Rejects). But, generally, I don't have any interest in the world he's created. And yes, I say "world," as in singular, because all of his films take place in a pseudo-70s alternate universe where NO ONE has any socially redeeming qualities. Aside from Brad Dourif and Danielle Harris in his Halloween films, he's never even come close to creating a sympathetic character. And at the end of the day, that's just not interesting to me. I made it about 10 minutes into The Lords of Salem before I just switched it off. Life is too short to spend with characters that vapid, ugly, and stupid.

    I don't have any issue with others enjoying his films. They're just not for me. Zombie is obsessed with ugliness and people that I find repulsive. Even his Laurie Strode was cast from the same mold--and she's supposed to be the girl next door. And Zombie is a one-trick pony to a greater degree than any other director who springs to mind. Viewed collectively, I think his films are unscary, unfunny, unentertaining, soulless, redundant garbage.

    No offense intended, Mok. I enjoy your posts and respect your opinion. I just really, really hate Zombie's films. If any of this seems like an attack or commentary on you, I apologize in advance.
     
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    I have no idea where you got the idea that anybody here was dismissing his Halloweens because of his music. Everybody here is smart enough to evaluate Zombie's films on their own terms. You don't have to listen to one second of his music to come to the conclusion that his Halloween stinks. It feels rushed as if they went into production with only a rough draft, and you can almost taste the studio intervention. The camera work is shaky and when it isn't it is framed horribly. It often felt like I was watching a 1.33:1 film cropped to 2.35:1 with the amount of heads half cut off. Not a single character is likable, and by likable I just mean "not obnoxious". And this is coming from somebody that likes House of a 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects. (Lords of Salem was okay but kind of unmemorable.) If you like his take on it then fine. There's not a whole lot I can say to dispute it. But for many of the rest of us there is quite a bit we have to be willing to overlook to begin to appreciate it on a level you do.
     
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  3. Zombie Dude

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    No, you're wrong. "A grindhouse is an American term for a theater that mainly shows exploitation films" and also "A term used to describe a movie that sacrifices the traditional film-making concepts such as good acting, character development, production values, creative directing and an understandable plot outline in favor for sex, gore, nudity, violence and other shocking themes." I don't think Carpenter made exploitation films at all and his Halloween definitely isn't one, it's very well crafted and clean. Zombie's films definitely fall into the relm of Grindhouse exploitation though and I'd say his production values and creative directing can be quite good.
     
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    There is absolutely no doubt that both Halloween and Assault on Precinct 13 played theaters in the 70s that would later on be referred to as "grindhouse" theaters. Zombie may make films that conform in the modern mind to what we call 70s grindhouse, but it is no more authentic than 1960s exotica music is to real polynesian music. Zombie makes very mainstream horror movies that conform to the expectations of a 21st century audience. If real grindhouse theaters still existed I doubt that they'd still be stuck in a 1970s nostalgia trip.
     
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    Lol, just because his films may have played in those theaters doesn't make the films themselves Gindhouse. Like my second quote stated, there's a particular flavor and style to Grindhouse movies and Carpenter's films just don't fall into that.
     
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    Assault on Precinct 13 has a graphic child murder. You can't get more grindhouse than that. Your notion that these films have to be incompetantly made in order to qualify is pretty insulting, I have to say. What you are talking about is more of a stereotype than anything. True grindhouse films came in all degrees of quality. Halloween is a low budget horror film that featured tits and violence. It qualifies. Just because it was good enough to gain widespread attention doesn't separate it from its roots.
     
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    Ok, well you and I are on completely different pages. Let's just agree to disagree.
     
  8. Myron Breck

    Myron Breck Boom Shanka

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    LOL!!!
     
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    Is that because you think I am wrong? I have never in my life heard anyone refer to the original Halloween as a grindhouse movie. I don't think it falls into that genre at all.
     
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    Oh, no, I agree that JC was low-budget 70s awesomeness but not necessarily "grindhouse".

    But I wanted to yell, "No, YOU'RE wrong!"

    It made me laugh.

    Carry on.
     
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  11. old-boo-radley

    old-boo-radley They stay the same age...

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    If the above is the definition of grindhouse, then I wanna know how dozens of actual grindhouse movies that are good or have good qualities are considered grindhouse. Where did that quote come from because it is horrendous? Websters has a sensible definition of the noun grindhouse, which I would think would lead directly into an adjective of the word.

    Definition of grind house
    1. : an often shabby movie theater having continuous showings especially of pornographic or violent films
    How could one not think Halloween and early Carp work wasn't played in hundreds of shabby theaters or drive-ins? Think of all the Shaw Bros. kung fu films, Italian horror flicks, foreign films, independent art films, etc. that played in grindhouses. There's no way the definition of a grindhouse movie is, in a nutshell, a piece of shit.
     
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  12. MisterTwister

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    Oh goody this turned into the typical Zombie hating bitchfest from the usual suspects.
     
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    Sorry our conversation isn't meeting your approval, but since you weren't participating anyways... meh.
     
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    old-boo-radley They stay the same age...

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    I think the usual suspects in Rob Zombie hating is everyone, the way it should be.

    Think about it, has there ever been anyone so terrible, the overwhelming majority of horror fans nearly unanimously cast him aside? I think that's very indicative of what he brings to the table. This is a guy who made shitty music for years and then put his wife naked on the silver screen just to try to launch her career... of being naked?

    What could go wrong?

    EDIT: The only thing I liked about Zombieween was the boys in Nazareth probably got a big payday for Love Hurts, which they deserve.
     
  15. Zombie Dude

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  16. buck135

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    I think Uwe Boll will always hold that title.
    I'd have to put White Zombie ahead of Nazareth, though I'm sure I'm in the minority with that opinion.
     
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  17. Mok

    Mok Family is Forever

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    Couple things:

    I dont take personal offense to anyone disagreeing with me so no worries Shape.

    Maybrick I believe it was Buck who made reference to Zombies music.

    In regards to Carpenter's Halloween being considered "Grindhouse", I would NEVER make that connection even if it somehow technically fits that mould. Maybe because I hold it in higher regard to consider it Grindhouse, but I think it has more in common with the likes of Hitchcock (Assault on Precinct 13 also).

    Cool. How bout these guys?
    - Sid Haig
    - Udo Kier
    - Bill Moseley
    - Dee Wallace
    - William Forsythe
    - Malcom McDowel
    - Ken Foree
    - Tom Towells
    - Danielle Harris
    - Brad Dourif
    - Danny Trejo
     
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  18. maybrick

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    I don't think there is a real correct answer to this question as there is no real hard line between genres and sub-genres. But I do think that your line of reasoning sounds a lot like the one the Academy uses whenever a horror film is deemed worthy of consideration for an Oscar: "Oh no, it's not one of those dreadful horror films. It's a suspense thriller!!!
     
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    I did. I wasn't trying to make a connection with his films, it was just an observation. As a fan of his music, the direction he has taken is rather bizarre.
     
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    My ultimate point though, is that Rob Zombie's movies stylistically don't resemble 1970s grindhouse films in any way. He's clearly influenced by that era, but there is no way you can watch any of his films and confuse it with a film made in the late 70s. His films are too spastically MTV edited for that.
     

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