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Discussion in 'General' started by Ash28M, Mar 6, 2015.
Well, someone better call the Prude Police!
I agree not all kids can handle it and because she showed a film that was rated for adults to minors, it was irresponsible and she should of been punished. Prison though shouldn't of been the punishment for this "crime".
It's not like these were 6 year olds. I personaly didn't know anyone when I was 14-18 that hadn't watched a horror film.
While I don't think scary movies are intrinsically harmful to young minds who view them voluntarily, it was definitely a bad judgment call by the teacher.
That said... I live in a pretty secular country, but we have Christianity as a subject along with Math, English, Arts and Crafts, etc. When I was in fourth grade, our text book has a photograph of a woman who was badly disfigured by leprosy. That made me extremely uncomfortable, because it wasn't a movie. It was a real human being. I'd have preferred a scary movie.
ABCs Of Death isn't a horror film though. I don't think the horror genre is the issue here. In fact, the initial article never refers to it as a horror film either. Maybe a couple of the segments have leanings toward the horror genre, but that does not a horror film make.
Maybe 12 of the segments were about poop or toilets... another 8 were about sex... and the other 6 were too abstract to be about anything. There's also a little blood, gore, and naked women wearing giant strap-ons thrown into the mix. Just because there's some violence and bizarre images, does that really make it a horror film? By the way modern horror filmmakers, poop isn't horror... it's just gross. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
People have this weird compulsion to lump anything with blood or violence (or apparently fecal matter) into the horror genre. No wonder the horror genre gets such a bum rap. Anything that's not appropriate but not quite porn is automatically labeled a horror film. To me, the horror genre is about much more than violence and gore. In fact, I consider myself a horror fan, and I generally stay away from anything too graphic or gross. I actually get grossed out pretty easily.
I think it's kind of sad that's how so many people perceive the genre.
^^ It's called ABC's of Death. That sounds like a horror film. If you asked parents that aren't into horror to name a modern horror film they'd undoubtedly name SAW. Torture porn is the face of modern horror to the uninitiated. ABC's OF DEATH at a glance sounds like the typical horror film of these days. Despite visiting this site everyday I assumed it was a typical torture porn flick so I never looked any further. I'm too busy watching 60's - 80's stuff to bother with most of the modern stuff. The modern stuff only catches my eye in our Halloween watching threads.
I'm starting to agree that her biggest sin is poor taste. This ABCs of DEATH sounds bad beyond words.
FOUR felony counts for showing a movie? That's absolutely insane.
Is it in bad taste? Yes. Should she be fired? Probably. Should this in any way be a felony? Hell no.
In my high school English class we watched Richard III from 1995. In that movie Robert Downey gets impaled with a sword while receiving oral. My teacher showed it every year without receiving a felony.
I think she was all kinds of wrong for showing this but jail time is ridiculous. She actually sounds like she might need mental evaluation. BTW, do any of the articles say where she got the movie? I assume she brought it to the school (why would they have a copy?) I'm not a teacher but you'd think they'd have a go-to stack of approved movies for substitute teacher situations. (The article says it was a DVD but could she have just streamed it?)
Even when I was 14, I had limits on what I would watch. I remember the "Faces of Death" movies being talked about at school and I knew that was beyond what I was willing to watch. I've still never seen them even though I've read much of the death footage was faked. And even if at that age I could have handled something as stupid as "ABCs of Death" most of my friends were a lot more conservative than me and would have been shocked at such a movie. Hell, I remember a lot of kids and their parents making a stink when they showed us "Romeo and Juliet" because of the brief nude scenes.
She was. She had all of her teaching credentials removed, I believe.
It's on netflix streaming
Should have been fired - but jail time?
I'm with everyone else who questions the jail time, but not the firing.
And jeez, couldn't she have at least shown the second one? It's a lot better...
Stupid. She should have been fired and barred from teaching, but the jail time is ridiculous. Community service or something would have been more appropriate.
I think the most extreme movie I can remember being shown in school was The King and I, or maybe West Side Story. :lol:
One thing I find odd about the Associated Press articles on this case is the way they point out that The ABC's of Death has a low IMDB rating.
I'm not sure how that's relevant in any way to why the jury found the film to be obscene and harmful to juveniles. I guess IMDB ratings are now the barometer by which films are deemed to be suitable or not for the general public.
Schindler's List was easily the most extreme film I saw in school, but that was part of the high school's curriculum, and parents and students were given the option to opt out if they felt so inclined.
Total Recall, as part of my Geography class, was probably the most questionable film I saw in a high school classroom, but that rates 7.5 out of 10 stars on the IMDB website, so it was probably OK. :lol:
i was able to show the tree-rape scene from evil dead to my 11th grade English class as part of a project. I gave them fair warning, though, and told them that anybody who objected to excessive violence should probably leave the room. the only one who left was the teacher!
Grateful to be an 80s child - we got shown Flight of the Navigator
That's disturbing on so many levels. Without knowing the entire story, I'm not sure who is in the wrong. The school, the teacher, or you.
I remember being in the sixth grade and everybody petitioned the teacher to watch Back to the Future. The guy fretted over two instances of language (serious shit) even though absolutely everyone in class had seen it already. We wound up watching The Dark Crystal and everybody wound up pissed off over seeing a little kids film.
hard to say...i'm probably just lucky there was no social media, otherwise both the teacher and i might have ended up in trouble. it's funny though, because that was a legitimate high point of high school, and not because it was subversive or anything like that...i just had such a great time sharing something i loved with my class. i put a huge amount of work into that project!
the whole project was on the evolving nature of the horror film. I showed scenes from the universal horrors, and progressed up to scenes from American Werewolf, Pet Semetary, and Evil Dead.
That sounds perfect for a "film" class. Like something I took in college. But a high school English class? What am I missing here?
When I was in early elementary school (2nd - 3rd grade-ish), I convinced the afterschool latchkey teacher to let us watch The 'burbs. She took my tape home the night before to watch it and make sure it was appropriate. I had taped it off television, so it was edited for content. She agreed, and we watched it, but no one else was into it. Most of the kids just went off and did something else. The 'burbs is pretty tame and I don't think there's really anything offensive about it, but I can see how the subject matter might be a little dark for a group of 2nd - 3rd graders without their parent's consent.
As for high school, I remember them showing us Legends Of The Fall, Frankenstein (1994), The Shawshank Redemption, The Graduate, Nell, The Crucible, and for some reason The 13th Warrior. I even remember watching Bio-Dome and Outbreak in science class as fun incentive day offs. I'm sure there were others. Not all of those are rated R, but the ones that aren't had some degree of nudity. Nobody cared, and no parents complained. Although I do remember a lot of awkward laughter during Frankenstein while DeNiro was flailing around naked for what seemed like 10 minutes.
Although content wise, none of those are anything close to The ABCs Of Death.