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Discussion in 'General' started by ReNeGaDe, Jan 6, 2006.
totally loved it. Watched this on DVD. I thought it was great entertainment.
I enjoyed it. However in watching the featurettes, along with Cabin Fever, it's obvious that Roth is a total dick who got is ass kicked every day growing up. But... he makes good movies.
Finally saw this last night. Never got around to it when it was playing in cinemas because all my friends decided to go while I was in Denmark, and I didn't feel like going alone ...
So what did I think ... not much, to be honest. It manages to be intense in some scenes and it's never boring, but it has no sense of story, style or purpose. I've seen people claim that this is a "biting social commentary", and I'd presume that the biting commentary would be that
people are so degenerate these days that inflicting violence upon other people is bound to become the next form of entertainment
Well, this is valid. However, I feel that it's an arguement that defenders of the film have created for its defense. I don't really see any sign of that being the filmmaker's intention, and if it was then they did a bad job.
Also, this film was so overtly, unabashedly misogynistic and homophobic that I'm stunned that there hasn't been a public outcry. The reason might of course be that the film simply isn't worth discussing, but given that it was no. 1 at the box office for some time, I would have liked to see some angry feminists or gay-rights activist step forward. (Not that I was particularly offended, I just thought films that were so blatantly offensive were a thing of the past!)
I mean, the villains we get to know in this film are mostly
women and gay men, and the most intense violence (save for Josh's torture scene) is also reserved for those people. Even that incredibly out-of-place memory of the little girl drowning is brimming with misogyny! The female lifeguard who wouldn't save the girl, the screaming of the girls mother and of course the little drowning girl, are all responsible for the nightmares of poor old Mr. Male Protagonist. Oh, and lets not forget the Asian girl who jumps in front of a train because she is no longer beautiful. Not only is this directly ripped out of Seven, but it does not even try to retain Seven's subtle way of reasoning. If your nose has been cut off and sleeping pills have been glued to your hand, I'd say it makes more sense to kill yourself than for that Asian girl to jump in front of a train when she's just recently narrowly escaped the lunatics who tortured her.
Mr. Roth, surely thou must be jesting!
If intense violence is all horror lovers want, then Hostel has plenty, although you must wait a good hour of nothing particularly interesting happening. And that hour isn't even used to draw out the characters or make us care about them or even get to know them. (unless you count the drowning-girl memory valdid character backstory. I don't. It's such a shameless excuse for that character to
go back to the torture chambers to save the Asian girl
Frankly, this is a badly written, old-fashionedly offensive (laughably so) but somewhat nicely produced shock film that won't become a classic of the genre, even though some people are already proclaiming it is.
Haha. That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. What other more important and brilliant things, apart from characters, are you talking about exactly?
However, going through the posts here I'd like to say that I thought rhett's review was terrific (even though I didn't agree with his opinion), but he did mention something I was too close-minded to see - the Americans vs. foreigners theme. In retrospect, rhett is completely right. This theme is underlying the entire time. Still, I don't see how that makes the film better, just a little bit smarter.
Having your characters be annoying solely for the purpose of making their disposal more enjoyable is a very dubious tactic and I don't think Roth is skilled enough just yet to pull it off (he certainly didn't in Hostel). And also, if this was the point, then why
have the Jay Hernandez character survive and avange his friends at the end? It kind of makes it look like that the foreigners were the "bad guys" all along and that America must sink to their depths to conquer. I'm not sure if that's a very good statement to make, or even if it is a satement at all
I'm willing to agree that Hostel has some ideas, but no idea of how to portray them. It's simply a failure of a movie.
I think people are trying to analyze this film too much. For me, I liked it because it kept me entertained for an hour and a half. Read too far in to it, or analyze the story or action too much and we have problems. I think Roth is a more talented filmmaker than he is a writer. I'd like to see what he could do with an awesome horror script. I think he takes an OK script and makes it as entertaining as one possibly could. Hostel was not as good as Cabin Fever, IMO -- and I hope this is not a sign of things to come from Mr. Roth, hope he keeps the creative juices flowing, because as a huge lover of the genre, we need the talent. I think his third film should be very telling unless, of course, you hated both of his films thus far. I tend to agree with DrHerbertWest that horror fans are becoming too picky these days. Or maybe we've always been too picky, and the only effective fixer that exists is time. Time often fixes the extreme criticism that we have toward a film. I think we tend too become a little forgetful, and / or more forgiving of certain films over the years. And then there are films we learn to love the more we see it. For me, an example of that would be Ghosts of Mars, which I just saw again for about the fourth time, yesterday. The first time I saw it, I did not care for it; now I quite enjoy it. So, I think if anything can fix the reputation of a film, it's time; at least to a certain degree. I liked Hostel, and with all of the reactions that's it's inspired, it'll be interesting to see how time treats this little horror film.
Apparently his next film will be an adaptation of Stephen King's new book "Cell", so he's already got pretty good source material to work with.
But the thing is, I don't really see why Roth is considered a "good" filmmaker. I mean, he's certainly not a "bad" filmmaker - his films are at least not boring - but to me, nothing he does, save for a certain quirky humor, makes him stand out from the rest.
Granted, he makes the kind of films few people seem to be making, and it's a good contrast to all the mainstream PG-13 horror films and remakes Hollywood is spewing out, but that's about it. He's is not remarkable in a visual or atmospheric way, he does not have a style that is special. He's not a "unique voice" in the realms of cinema, like many of his hardcore fans are portraying him as. I think he just got lucky with his connections. It's great to have a supporter like Quentin Tarantino, a guy the mainstream audiences think is the coolest person on earth, but frankly, Tarantino probably would be better off with a filmmaker that's better, or at least a bit more special, than Eli Roth.
I'm not a Roth-hater and I have nothing against him. I found both his films entertaining but completely overrated by some and I just don't see what the fuss is all about. His films are dancing on a thin line between mediocre and avarage and I simply can't see why anyone would make a big deal about them. But then again, maybe I'm just out of touch with what's good and what's not ...
I gave this a spin last weekend an was generally un-impressed. For a film that's main selling point seems to be how disturbing, gory and violent it is, it surely dosent follow through. I've seen much much worse, from films that didnt base their hype off of 'being disutrbing'. Infact I found Wolf Creek much more disturbing, and even though it had less gore than Hostel it seemed more violent.
Which brings up the point that I actually enjoyed the characters in Wolf Creek, which probably helped alot. While in Hostel I wanted them to die within the first 5 minutes of them being on screen. Infact, I wanted to be the one that killed them! For future reference Eli, its generally not a good idea to show how homophobic, misogynistic and "macho" characters are within the first 5 minutes of a movie if they're to be in a movie where your supposed to be afriad for them, because frankly when the time came for them, I didnt care. I was so annoyed by them I couldnt wait for their times to come actually. I'm actually surprised they didnt say something like 'Yo, too bad I aint gonna get more of dat sweet foreign pussay, you f*ggot!' and then give a 'hang ten' sign or play the air guitar as they died. Rediculous.
I dont think I've ever heard so many 'f*ggot' and other gay bashing terms in a single movie before, which makes me wonder, if the characters were racist instead of homophobic, and threw around 10 'n-bomb's' instead of f*ggot in the first 10 minutes how they would have been preceived, and how the film would have been recieved. But thats an entire different issue.
Though I cant ignore the cinematography, sets and designs which were great. I'm always one to give props to a film's look no matter how much I disliked it. If anything I loved how it looked, and helped me appreciate the film on a level where it failed to deliver anywhere else.
Regarding the obvious double dip, there's no way I'll get it, I simply didnt enjoy it enough to care about an alternate ending.
I just watched this last night for the first time as well. I went into this one not expecting much since I didn't like Cabin Fever at all, and Eli didn't dissapoint me. I can only repeat what alot of others are saying and that is I didn't give a shit about the main characters. Since I had no feeling for them, all sense of dread is lost in the film.
I'm not saying these things to ride the "bash Hostel and Eli" train. Quite the contrary, I want him to succeed. It's great for the horror genre to get new, talented blood, and as much as I've disliked Roth's films so far, I can definitely see potential.
I just watched this on the weekend...it was light entertainment. I didn't get bored or anything while watching it, but I also didn't get very involved with the movie or characters. I liked it more than Cabin Fever but that's not saying much really. I think you pretty much have to shut your brain off to get enjoyment from this film....but some pretty cringe-inducing moments in the film.
I enjoyed it enough that I may buy this used/cheap, but I wouldn't pay full price to own it.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on it as well. Though it sounds like I enjoyed Cabin Fever just a wee bit more.
It's ok that he uses that word so much in his film being that Eli Roth seems to want a big dick up his ass.
I thought Hostel was actually a good movie once you got past the 40 minutes of porn.
Saw this tonight, and it left me unimpressed. I didn't like Cabin Fever that much, but I think I liked Hostel even less. It felt like the movie was just a big excuse to show nice girls naked, and torture scenes, and neither were that "satisfying" to me. I didn't feel the second part of the movie being as sick as I've been told. And the story is just uninvolving. Some say that they hated the characters so much they wanted them to die painfully. They left me only indifferent - I just didn't care.
For me, this is second strike for Roth - I'd be checking anything else he does (except maybe Hostel 2 that I saw announced on IMDB), but with low, low expectations. I just don't find what it is that people see in him or his movie.
I liked CABIN FEVER, but I admit it was a chaotic mess of a movie at times.
HOSTEL is a big improvement in that sense--I think it's pretty well-focused.
I'll be looking forward to what Roth does next.
To those who really liked the movie - Is this disc worth buying or is it better to wait for the next edition? Anyone seen the alternate ending?
Saw it tonight, dug it. I prefer Dagon for the "American tourist in deep trouble in Europe" motif, but it was worth the price of a rental. And it's better than anything Rob Zombie has done.
And yes, I did notice the "Wicker Man" music, which I thought was pretty cool.
I wasn't interested in seeing it at the theater, so I waited until it was out on DVD. I told my wife it was along the same line as Audition, so we decided to watch it together now. Hostel was pretty good, I think. However, we both thought Audition was more intense.
My wife's reaction to the main characters at first was, "I hope those guys die." However, by the end of the movie she was rooting for those same characters. So I think it worked in that respect.
The violence wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. For a movie with such a reputation, it was pretty tame. It seemed like most of the violent stuff was very quick... as opposed to The Scene in Audition which feels like it goes on forever.
As someone mentioned above there were parts in the movie where it seemed the plot was just too convenient. However, I was able to look past it. There weren't any of those things that really annoy me in it, like "spooky children" or tons of flashbacks, or characters repeating dialogue in clever ways. The "They pay me a lot for you, so that makes you my bitch" was a little corny though.
The movie seemed pretty classy to me (well...). It had the Audition thing going where it seems like one kind of movie for the first hour or so, and then turns into another kind of movie completely for the last half hour or so. The American kids were annoying, but I guess that was the point, so mission accomplished! There was lots of ridiculous macho talk and whatnot, but I've encountered people that are at least that obnoxious in real life, so it didn't seem out of place to me.
So anyway, I was pretty surprised by how entertaining this one was. I expected very little going in, so I enjoyed it.
“There will be plenty of blood and torture”
Update on Hostel 2. I'm really excited about this one :banana: