I Spit on Your Grave ('78 & '10) coming Feb 8

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  1. hots4

    hots4 Dogs In White

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    https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=986597

    This confirms what was cut from the last version submitted to the BBFC. The cut in the new release may differ.

    From what I remember reading there is no actual scenes cut, just shortened, less thrusting, shots that fully show the rape removed.
     
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    I have a quick dumb question. Now, I understand the editing, etc... of certain films. But are you "allowed" to own an uncut version(from another country) in the UK? In the U.S. we obviously have a ratings system for film releases too, but are legally allowed to own an unedited version of the same film on media. (from any country, including US who sells them for years). If so, then what is the point of having the restrictions and forcing companies to cut films to be released on home media in the UK?
     
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    It was a loooooong time ago, but I once sold a LD copy of Last House on the Left on E-bay, and the winner was from the UK. He then backed out of the sale, because he said it would be confiscated at customs.
     
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    Ok. See, that's what I was referring to. But like you said that was in the past. I have no idea their rules. And not just at customs, in your home car, etc... Like if you got pulled over and had some targeted Blu's/DVD in the car. Would that get you in trouble/fined? It's not heroin, guns, or illegal porn of course. But you get my point. Just curious.
     
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    zbinks Beset by Creatures of the Deep

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    UK laws regarding film classification seem to be focused on distribution or the intent to distribute. Simple possession, does not seem to be a violation /criminal act.

    Keep in mind, while the MPAA may be the de facto US ratings system for films, it's ratings are not mandated, codified or enforced by the federal government.
     
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    ^^ Yes, that's the crucial difference. The US system is entirely voluntary and videos can be released with no certificate if the distributor chooses, whereas in the UK that's not possible... every video release (except for some purely educational/music titles) must have the government approved certificate and therefore be subject to the censorship process. So if the BBFC won't grant a certificate to the un-cut version of a movie then it simply can't be legally released on video.

    Importation (either in person or via mail) is different and comes under obscenity law. When I had an Evil Dead laserdisc seized back in the 90's I got a "Notice of Seizure - Indecent and Obscene material" letter from UK customs and the other laserdisc in the package (The Church) was also seized. I phoned them up to complain and the guy was actually quite helpful in way... he said if I tried to import Evil Dead again then I would be "knowingly importing obscene material" and would be prosecuted rather than just having the movie confiscated and destroyed. But he also said they knew "The Church" wasn't considered obscene and was only confiscated 'cause it was in the same package as Evil Dead, but if I wrote a letter accepting their confiscation of Evil Dead but asking politely for The Church to be released then they'd consider sending it on to me. I did that and got the Church disc a few days later, so I guess it was worth the phone call.

    Possession by itself isn't a crime (unless it's extreme porn, animal stuff or whatever), but they have 2 ways around that. They know the movie disc wasn't produced here in the UK and therefore it had to be imported at some point, which was illegal at the point of importation, so they can technically still confiscate it. That rarely happens but it was possible back in the 90's, not sure if still the case today. The other way is that they claim you possess the movie "for distribution", which is illegal as it doesn't have a certificate. I knew someone that happened to back in the 90's, guy had a huge horror collection and in court they actually claimed that no one would possibly have such a large collection of imported un-cut horror movies unless they were selling copies! Sounds crazy, but that theory was accepted by the court and the guy was found guilty and had everything seized, even though they literally had zero evidence he was selling copies. Thankfully things have come a long way since the 90's.
     
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    They may not be mandatory, but from a theatrical perspective when you have a system that won't allow you to advertise unless you having a rating it feels to me like it is mandatory just not on the face of it.

    I agree the video market is a completely different kettle of fish.

    There is another problem in the US which seems to affect us all, if I title is cut its that cut version that the rest of the world gets even though there is a pretty strong chance that other territories would not demand cuts. That of course is not the case in all situations, but the majority of cut movies never get the uncut version seen again.
     
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    I just don't think they are that bothered by it anymore. Sure if you import some sick shit you may get done, but I don't think you would nowadays.

    A film like new York ripper which was famously escorted of the UK shores when put up for its initial certificate is available in the UK now. I doubt you would have a problem importing an uncut copy.
     
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    Yup, that's definitely the case.

    I've only had one package officially opened by customs in about the last 10 years (and that was a large box of various computer gear) whereas back in the 90's I had loads opened. I guess they just use sniffer dogs and x-ray systems now, 'cause they're mainly looking for firearms, explosives and drugs. They seem to be basically not interested in video media at all now, which makes sense considering anything can be downloaded from the internet anyway.
     
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    Which is good for us. I've only ever had one package seized which was 'edge of the axe' VHS from Holland. I don't know why it was ceased I think the sleeve was gory but after your comments I wish I had contacted them to find out the reasons and to see if I could get it sent.

    My favourite ones was my friends he had a letter of confiscation 3 days after he received his item!!!!! He was going to phone them but I talked him out of it, you have the item, I said just leave it, they may make you send it back if you converse with them. But that one was always funny!
     
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    Heads up that there is a coupon on Ronin that you can use to get $10.99 off the price, so it comes out to just $49.00 right now. This coupon isn't displayed on their website, so I have no idea how long it's good for. The coupon is OCONNELL

    I went ahead and bit the bullet at that price. I desperately needed something (free shipping) to add and finally order L.A. Bounty with anyway... :oops:

    I still have no use for the "sequel" at all, but it really doesn't sound like this will be getting a separate release for the '78 film.

    The coupon might be good until January 1st, since the lesser "$5 coupon" that is listed on the website is valid until then.
     
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    If they pressed enough of these "limited" editions we'll likely see even better reduced pricing during their next big sale. They seem to have an unlimited amount of the limited Church and Sect blu-rays.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not; but they don't seem to really want to advertise the discounts.
     
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    So, it brings the price down to $49. Let me guess. Free shipping threshold is $50.

    Have they been talking to the folks at Criterion?
     
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    Free shipping on Ronin is at $30, says it right at the top of the page.
     
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    Ah. Good to know. I was just being cynical.

    I might bite on it at $49. I was thinking I'd spend $40 on it, this might be as close as it gets to that for a while.
     
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    Pulled the trigger on it. You can't add the $5 and the $10.99 coupon, right? I only got the $10.99 OCONNELL discount.

    Wish it included the remake trilogy, or at least the second one. But I do like that the Joe Bob Briggs commentaries are included.
     
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    I don't think there was even any $5 off coupon, they're just supposed to be discounted right now with it included.

    Mine shipped earlier today by Priority Mail, along with L.A. Bounty.

    Priority Mail honestly isn't saying too much right now though. I had a PM package take 2+ weeks to get here recently, another PM shipment from Deep Discount that shipped on the 8th and still has yet to show up, and yet another PM package in transit right now that's 12 days since it shipped... the mail service is crippled right now.
     
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    I'm getting tired of these high prices.
    A UHD disc isn't that expensive to manufacture anymore.

    It's like being back in the Laserdisc era again.
    Soon we'll have to pay $100 for a special edition...
     
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