Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi

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  1. vampyr789

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    wow, just watch this be the horror movie of 2009 and your not going to see just because its PG-13, frankly that is kinda stupid :rolleyes:
     
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    Everything I've seen of this flick makes me go "Guh..." I'm not into seeing this at all... PG-13 or R... doesn't matter... looks so generic and CG heavy... and I got a major major scent of Stephen King's "Thinner" from this in a way...
     
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    Yeah, I saw an ep where the main guy was holding up a phone he was obviously supposed to be pitching, and he just went into how it wasn't that great after all. Then Olivia joined in.

    I trust them more on gadgets than I do films, but still, I don't get a "shill" vibe from AotS. At least not as much as other shows.
     
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    Free screening tomorrow night at the Arclight in Hollywood. I'll be there.
     
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    My thoughts exactly, major Thinner vibes (and any other 'living with a curse movie' vibe for that matter) only with lots of CG and a pg-13 rating. Not a big fan of Raimi in the first place, unless this gets really excellent reviews I'll be passing.
     
  6. The Chaostar

    The Chaostar Johnny Hallyday forever

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    Again, PG horror doesn't mean "gore-less" horror. It means horror dumbed down for 13yo. I just don't get it.
     
  7. Uncle Jay

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    If "true-horror" appropriate for a 13 year-old is your cup of tee, then I think you may need to reassess your point of view on "true horror," especially in this vein and what it was promoted to be way before it went through the MPAA. Why would you pay money to see a horror film that was edited by cushy execs in Hollywood just to get extra box-office receipts?! Most of the countless crap that try to pass themselves as "horror films" were PG-13! The execs know that Raimi has a following, especially old-school horror fans that will flock to his "return to horror"...but so will these moronic "Twilight" kids, that the execs CUT THE MOVIE FOR!

    There is nothing "kinda stupid" about my statement. You predicting this to be "the horror movie of 2009" would be a more foolish statement. I will wait for the UNRATED DVD.

    I'll quote Bruce Campbell, a regular of Raimi's...

    "There is no such thing as a PG-13 horror film."


    -UJ
     
  8. boycrieswolf

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    Man Uncle Jay, them are some bold words there...I'll admit that I agree with some of what you're saying...I'm sure the stuffy studio execs DID water this down a bit to get more teenagers in the seats, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that Raimi is almost a household name now thanks to the Spiderman films...but need I remind you that there are plenty of "true horror" films to come out over the years that were truly scary and effective that weren't rated R. Don't get me wrong, I prefer an R rated horror film over a PG-13 any day of the week, but there are lots of examples throughout the history of horror cinema that weren't R rated that still hold their own...the first one that comes to mind is a spine-tingling, supernatural, creepy as fuck little flick called 'Poltergeist'....and that was rated PG! Long before the PG-13 rating was even created! What about The Changeling, or The Gate or The Haunting...? There's plenty of other examples I'm sure, but these are just the first ones that come to mind off the top of my head...
     
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    So what happens if it's the worst movie of 2009? He's a genius? And everyone who saw it is stupid?
     
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    i wonder if I'll ever live to see the day when horror fans stop bitching about "pg-13"? There's an entire cinematic world full of great non R rated horror movies out there, people. Get over it. You all might as well just stop going to horror movies period if that's the case. After all, even a theatrically released R horror film is cut down from the inevitable "unrated" dvd release. I don't see Sam Raimi out there saying "Hey folks, I love horror movies! Unfortunately, don't see mine because it's pg13 and we all know that no horror movie can be any good unless it's rated R!"

    I'll certainly be seeing Drag Me to Hell. On the bright side, it's currently sitting at 100% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    MaT
    co-host of Deadlantern.com's Splattercast
    Firm defender of non R rated horror.
     
  11. Uncle Jay

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    Well said, and might I add, they don't make them like that anymore.

    I'm really moreso referring to today's fare, the last 10 years or so. I'm happy that it's getting good reviews, and I'm really hoping that it lives up to this good buzz...but this was edited in some form, and it bothers me that the director of the legendary "Evil Dead" films, a pivotal series in the horror film canon, returns to his roots of "true horror" with a film tainted by a Hollywood song and dance, to make it suitable for youngens.

    And for all you defenders of PG-13 horror of late? Think about it...a "true horror" film that may not be suitable for children under 13. How cute.


    -UJ
     
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    ThievingWinona you seem to be missing the point.

    The PG films of the past were not MEANT to be seen by kids. They happened to be bloodless and goreless and maybe sexless but they were meant to be seen by adults and understood by adults as well. The Changelling was mentioned, the Haunting, the Innocents (based Henry James "The Turning of the Screw" - not exactly a "teenager's favorite") or Carpenter's Christine were made with the adult viewer in mind.

    You know very well that today, even the R rated films look like as if WE are 13 years old... So PG-13 today? Not anymore.

    Notable exception: the Ring.
     
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    A-fuckin-Men!

    -UJ
     
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    okay, so what if i like SOME PG-13 horror films. Disturbia (okay not full blown horror) was a pretty good horror film for today's age. The Saw films are okay, the first one was good, but the rest just got a bit ridiciulous (IMO) . I love old school classic horror films, but is it a sin to somewhat like today's horror films that are rated PG-13?? No. and trust me, i know ture horror, i may be young but I know true horror.

    true horror is no where as good as it used to be, but i do get what you are saying, and i do agree with some of it. I would always pick a R rated horror film over a PG-13 horror film, but it seems as though this is what horror has become, unfourtunatly.

    But also if you go back and think, some of the R rated old school horror films, if they were rerated, some of them would possibly get a PG-13 rating. As boycrieswolf stated above, some of the greatest horror films have come out and not had a R rating.

    And maybe they rated it PG-13 so a younger generation would get interested in horror film, not (i know some of you hate this phrase) "torture porn". They want them to see the way horror used to be, the kids may even look up Sam Raimi, and find out that he made some of the greatest horror films ever made. Same goes for Peter Jackson....

    Plus, just because a horror movie is rated PG-13 dosent mean its "dumbed down"

    besides, when I said "watch this be the best horror film of 2009" i meant was that he would be missing out on it, and he would not go see just because its rated PG-13 because some people seem to think that almost all PG-13 horror films suck, some do, but some don't
     
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    Sorry, but this film will suck. Guaranteed. As you were.
     
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    I'm not saying it's a sin, to each his own, you know. I'm saying that for my taste, it's disappointing to see Raimi's long awaited "return to true horror" in the form of a PG-13 offering, which we all know got censored in some form or another. Before the "Spider-Man" franchise, Raimi was hard R-rated fare...now that he's Hollywood gold, here comes the toned-down version of what he used to be. How hardcore can this really be at PG-13?!

    -UJ
     
  17. vampyr789

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    well then i dont know, Maybe (like i stated above) he wants to get the younger generation more intersted in horror, and then them get a taste of true horror really is....but i do agree with you on his "big return to true horror" wasnt a all-out gore film
     
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    so a bunch of elitists are defining "true horror" as something that can only be Rated R and if counter examples are easily brought forth then the elitist fallback position is "Um, ok, there's nothing in the films that could be rated R such as sex, violence, gore, etc. by the MPAA's definition, so we'll use intent, for adults, as our barometer!"

    Of course, the "intent" argument is easily destroyed by anyone with a modicum of horror history knowledge beings that the first 50 years of horror cinema were dominated by Hollywood's marketing specifically to young people, and yes, shockingly! even those under the age of 18.

    yes, you can have a "true horror" film that is accessible to both teenagers and adults while not having a "Rated R" label attached to it by a small group of people who aren't even credible in the first place.

    oh, and for those of you bitching that the "studio" butchered and cut Drag Me to Hell, I'd just like to point out that Sam Raimi is one of the biggest directors in Hollywood right now. If he wanted the film to have an R rating he could have easily snapped his fingers and made it so. And before I hear all of you whining about this point, let me remind you that directors such as David Fincher and Brad Anderson, both far less successful financially are able to put out "R" genre pieces whenever they want. So I don't want to hear this garbage about how poor old Sam Raimi is at the mercy of the big evil studio conglomerate.

    The movie may very well suck, but to simply write it off because it's PG13 is insanity. Horror is not "I GOTTA SEE THE 5 SECONDS OF GORE THAT WAS CUT OUT FOR THE LOWER RATING OR ELSE THE MOVIE IS TOTAL SHIT!". And to think that is ridiculous.

    Fun question of the day: If Army of Darkness were released today, would it get a PG-13 rating instead of the R it has?

    Magic 8-Ball says: Absolutely. Why? Because the MPAA rating system is bogus junk to begin with and is nothing more than snapshot reflection of the cultural norms of the time it was rated in.

    If you live by a rating system to pre-judge your movies, then you are a lost cause.

    that reminds me, I should probably re-evaluate my thoughts on Jaws. It's not rated R so it obviously isn't "true horror" :)
     
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    Truer words have not been spoken. In fact, I've seen "PG" films from the 70's that have more on screen violence than "PG-13" films.
     
  20. Uncle Jay

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    Elitist? Are you fuckin' kidding me? I just get pissed off when Hollywood sugarcoats horror films, especially recently. This is Sam Raimi. Universal had no problem marketing this film with "The Director of 'The Evil Dead' Trilogy" which was Unrated to R fare. What's supposed to be a return to that, got slapped with a PG-13, because Raimi is a big-time Hollywood director now, and his edge is now under an executive's decision. 99% of the time, and certainly over the past 10 years, PG-13 horror films DO NOT WORK, because they are limited to get kiddies in the theater.

    Name me 5 "PG-13 Rated True Horror Films" in comparison or on level to "The Evil Dead" from 2000-2009 that are credible.

    Which is precisely the fuckin' problem!

    That's wrong, too. Raimi is now the director of the "Spider-Man" mega franchise...Universal is trying to bank off that, which they can't do on an R-rated film...which is my point here.

    You're right, David Fincher and Brad Anderson are both far less successful financially, their films don't make the kind of money execs want to see, because they are R-rated and are thought-provoking adult-oriented films aimed for adults...and not the simple-minded early teens of today! Sure, Fincher put out his first PG-13 film last year, but it was more of an Oscar-baited fare and irrelevant to this conversation. Anderson doesn't even get a wide-release!

    Raimi's last three films were summer-blockbuster super-hero films, which made multi-millions and put him on the map as a big-time Hollywood director. He wants to go back to horror now, fine, but in the end, it's the big-time Hollywood execs that get the final say....and they say, "we want to make more money of this, so cut it so it's kid-friendly!" Like it or not, that is the case...and it's been happening a lot lately over the past 10 years! Why do you think we have so many UNRATED DVD versions??

    I'm tired of HOLLYWOOD fucking with artistic integrity! In four months, we'll see what Sam Raimi wanted us to see, on DVD. It's a shame that greed, deprives us of an artist's true vision.

    The MPAA is bogus junk, and precisely my point in the whole-matter. Some movies are meant for adults, I understand that horror is not just an adult attraction, but HOLLYWOOD has been insulting adults with what they try to pass off as horror recently...especially the PG-13 bullshit of the past 10 years!

    This topic of discussion is not about pre-judging movies according to the rating system. It's about censorship, and the cursed PG-13 template that has ruined horror in this day and age!

    Perhaps you missed my earlier post when I said: "They don't make them like that anymore. I'm really moreso referring to today's fare, the last 10 years or so." So, do your homework before you try to come off as witty.


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