Unpopular opinions!

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  1. maybrick

    maybrick Well-Known Member

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    Words change meaning over time, though. Gay used to simply mean happy and faggot was a bundle of sticks. I agree with you on the use of queer, which is why I'm personally unlikely to use it. I still think of it as meaning "weird". In the proper definitions of these words, I'm a generally gay and queer fellow who oh so coincidentally just threw a faggot in the wood stove.
     
  2. Matt89

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    Really? Because I find the men who are most concerned with "masculinity" are gay. I mean, that's the attraction isn't it? The brush of hair on a man's arm, or their scratchy facial hair. Most gay men I've noticed are attracted to the masculine ideal. That's what everyone asks you on grindr, anyway. "are you masc?", or "masc only" in their profiles. The amount of gay guys who wear wifebeaters (another strange word) or "tanks" to clubs...most gay guys dress like guys.

    ^ Now THAT'S kindof offensive lol. Yes we've adopted the word "gay" but not in that context. ;)

    EDIT: I cannot believe that's actually an emoticon! Wow...

    ~Matt
     
  3. Paff

    Paff Super Moderator

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    Shit man, if you're gay and even you don't understand this new "queer" option, then I have zero hope of ever getting it.

    Seriously though, I do know what you're talking about. And I'm pretty open minded, I work with the local LGBT film festival, so I've certainly been exposed to more...non-standard...sexuality than most strictly hetero people have. But yeah, this "gender queer" thing doesn't make much sense, even if you ask them to explain it to you (and in a genuinely curious way, not in a derogatory way; I just want to know what it means)
     
  4. Workshed

    Workshed A Barge Person

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    As an aside to this conversation: I understand WHY certain words are off-limits to certain groups, but it feels counter-productive. To me, it's akin to the uproar over using the image of Mohammed in a South Park episode. It's a cartoon. Likewise, it's a word. If a person's emotions and/or sense of self are so tenuous that a word can shatter them and "offend" him or her, I think that's a sign of weak will.

    Again, I totally understand why one community can use a controversial/hurtful word while most other communities are cautioned against it (the "taking it back" argument), but that only lends further power to the word(s). By making a word taboo, it is empowered. Of course, this does not apply to hate speech, where certain taboo words are purposefully used to hurt--and yet, in hate speech, any word can be hurtful in context ("dog," for example, or "pig"). To assign almost superpowers to particular words is counter-productive towards building healthy communication.

    Then again, perhaps this is done to better define hate speech from a legality standpoint. If that's the case, OK, ha.
     
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    Copyboy Well-Known Member

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    I actually had this book as a child.

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    There is nothing gay about it.
     

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    X-human I ate my keys

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    It's YOUR emoticon Matt, own it!

    And I don't even know where to begin if you think gay guys dress like straight guys. Perhaps just to say straight guys don't know how to dress period? The fact that gay men have to "try" to dress masculine is a foreign process for the average straight guy to comprehend.

    I don't even have the vocabulary to explain why that's wrong. One of the gals or a more knowledgeable gay guy around here would have to explain that to you. Chomp you available? :evil:
     
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    maybrick Well-Known Member

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    What I meant is that gay men aren't cross dressers. They don't usually grow their hair long and wear dresses. But a lot of lesbians give themselves crew cuts and dress like frat boys. Lipstick lesbians are sadly more an exception than the rule.
     
  8. Matt89

    Matt89 Well-Known Member

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    Wtf?

    ~Matt
     
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    elDomenechHDG Well-Known Member

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    Has this happened already?
     
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    thing Well-Known Member

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    Platoon is one of Oliver Stones worst
    David Lynch's only great film is The Elephant Man
    True Romance is the best film Tarantino has had anything to do with
     
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    Paff Super Moderator

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    thing, don't start going on topic now!
     
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    it was an obviously transparent attempt, I apologise ;)
     
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    If you haven't seen "The Straight Story" I'd check that one out too, it's the only Lynch movie I really like apart from the Elephant man. All the rest that I've had the misfortune to see do absolutely nothing for me at all.
     
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    I really love Lynch's Dune...does that qualify as an unpopular opinion?
     
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    Fistfuck Slowest to 2000 posts

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    Yes.
     
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    I'll go off topic too... sorry guys. From what I remember, back in the days there was something called Queer Nation. Generally, to be identified as a queer back in the early 90s, was to be much more militant, political, and punk rock oriented then what was considered conventionally gay. It was a movement that sought to take the stigmatization out of the word by reclaiming it. After a while, I think queer also branched out into being gay but being a bit "outré" to what society considers "gay stereotypes".
     
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    allmessedup It's beer time.

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    If I remember right Queer Nation was about AIDS activism, I can't remember what else they did. During the 80s/90s almost all gay activism was related to AIDS, sadly.
     
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    It does, although I also quite like it but would not call it "great".
     
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    American Graffiti is George Lucas' best film.

    ~Matt
     
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    i've never seen it, and have absolutely no desire to. not an opinion, i suppose...but possibly unpopular.
     

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