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Discussion in 'General' started by Workshed, Aug 28, 2014.
Who knows what "reboot" really means here, but:
Damn they skipped right over REMAKING movies from the 90's and just jumped right into the current.
Fake as hell (meaning: I realize the REMAKE is a reality but I really hate that Hollywood doesn't let anything have a
legacy anymore and just cater to...whatever the F they think is...? Oh, F. I give up on Hollywood current crap).
Why reboot a still successful series? Awakening wasn't great, but it was far from franchise killingly bad!
$5 says it will be PG-13 this time, make it $500! I see no other reason to reboot it, than to look for teen money some bean-counting asshole thinks they missed on the first time by being R. I'm pre-inclined to pass!
I liked the lower key tone of Awakening, but there was a hint of "cashing in" on Kate Beckinsale's part. She was too cool for school to be in Rise of the Lycans but then settled to be in Awakening. So I say good, "reboot" it. I hope all that means is different characters rather than recasting old ones.
How would Kate have fit into RISE, tho? It was a story about Lucian.
Totally agree. I don't understand this news. The series isn't amazing but it has its fun. Why they think rebooting it is a good idea is beyond me. It's also why I hate it when these movies have open endings
It wouldn't have been if she was willing to be in it. My impression, wrong as I may be, is that she thought it was beneath her to be in any more of those films, so they decided to do a prequel about one of the other characters. Rhona Mitra was clearly cast because she is a dead ringer which furthers my suspicion.
Hm. Agreed on the casting but I think that was more for audiences than a result of Beckinsale's disinterest:
And Beckinsale was involved in RISE, wasn't she? I thought she did voiceover for it.
The fourth film was the highest grossing, I believe, which makes this even stranger news.
Shortly after the first film's success I'm sure she meant it, but once she got popular I think she thought she was too good for it. Also Len Wiseman wasn't the director for Rise and I'm sure that played into her vested interest. And speaking of Len Wiseman, I'm not one to pass judgement, but it's hard not to when the story of them getting together is so fucking heartless. That may be where my slanted impression of Kate Beckinsale's motives originate.
I'm glad Michael Sheen has an arguably better career and is banging Sarah Silverman now!
Wasn't "Rise" set in a time, before Kate's character was born?
You guys are assuming they planned to do an origin story for Lucien rather than Selene from the beginning. I am saying I think that they would have done Selene's origin story (which they make reference to) had Beckinsale been on board. Not only that but the way Evolution left off, I doubt they would have bothered with an origin story at all if they could have gotten her for part 3.
Mok, you're working backwards from your (unsupported) assumption.
"Kate Beckinsale didn't want to be in any more of these movies, so they made a prequel that didn't involve her."
When, in fact, a prequel was planned, she said she'd like to be involved in the prequel and was, but the story didn't involve her character (so she served as narrator). Then, when the story did involve her, she was again involved, this time in the lead role for the fourth film.
Her husband wrote RISE, so he was integral to the film's development.
Kate's involvement revolved around how much of her character would be involved. When they decided to focus more on Lucian, she wasn't as involved. I think it's a lot simpler than you are making it.
How does any of what you quoted prove me wrong? In fact it almost confirms what I'm saying.
In 2003 there was an idea to do a prequel after part 2.
They do part 2.
In 2006 (after part 2 is completed) decide part 3 is about Lucien's character and aren't sure about Kate Beckinsale being in it.
I don't think Len Wiseman would do an interview and say, "Well, Kate Beckinsale wants to do other kinds of movies after part 2 so part 3 is going to be about Lucien!" It sounds better to say it was all planned that way from the beginning.
Again, you're working backwards from an assumption w/o any support, which means it's all conjecture. "Kate Beckinsale isn't in the third film, so she didn't want to do it." There is no merit here. Everyone else involved is saying the opposite, including Kate!
Occam's Razor: the plot doesn't involve Selene, so the actor who plays Selene isn't onscreen.
Your assertion: Despite saying she wanted to do it, despite her husband being heavily involved in both the script/plot and production, Kate isn't in it because she didn't want to be in it. (When, in fact, she lends her voice to it to tie it to the other films where her character is involved!)
She can't flat out say, "I dont want to be in it," as its her husband's franchise (even if he also took a step back from being directly involved). I dont think im being unreasonable based on face value alone. Maybe it seems like Im willfully going against the current of reason to make my assumption, but no more than, say, purposely doing a prequel that doesnt have the franchise-leading character in the starring role? What would occams razor say about that? Huh? HUH?
That it's what the writer/producer wanted to do, and the films make enough money for the studio to let him do just that?
I mean, are you suggesting that Kate Beckinsale, who is married to the writer/producer, didn't want to be in the film and kept her feelings somehow secret from her husband? Do you see how far down the rabbit hole you are going, Mok? :glasses:
And he WROTE and produced the film--that's pretty directly involved!
No i think they pillow talked about her career and decided the next film she wouldn't star in so it would be about a different character so she could be off the hook.
You can't believe everything that is presented in front of you. Its all posturing and PR to keep the ship afloat.
Oh good lord.. all I can see is some guy with a cigar yelling. "No wait... We gotta bring in a bunch of teen vampires and put in something about zombies!!"