DARKMAN, THE BEAST WITHIN, CRAWLSPACE, SATURN 3 & More from Shout Factory in December

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  1. X-human

    X-human I ate my keys

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    Well it is nice to have period accurate opening slugs. It's not a deal breaker in most cases but it is worth putting out there. For example I'd be pretty unhappy if the Universal Classic Horror's were released on Blu-ray without the vintage Universal mirror globe and metallic stars for example (or airplane circling globe). I would consider skipping those initial releases, believing more complete restoration would eventually come down the pipe.

    Hell the internet exploded a bit when the Dracula credits had some of the credit misspellings fixed and a fade smoothed out removing a bad edit. That was a bit nutty.
     
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    It's called Heavy Handedness. Benefits the plot or the realness factor of the film 0% and merely exploits tired genre tropes like Women Don't Have Voices Loud Enough to Collectively Complain.


    For this to work, it would have to follow an authentic human logical progression. There was nothing logical or authentic to the character conflicts in the film. They were horribly written, obnoxiously over the top, and entirely unrealistic.


    The Last House on the Left features rape but is not a film about rape. It's a film about human behavior, the effects of violence, and who and what different social classes blame for how people treat each other. The parents blame things like Blood Lust (the band Mari is a fan of), the murderers blame the upper class. The rape is not used for cheap shock in the slightest, the film is extremely ambitious.

    If you find one fraction of this kind of intelligence within The Beast Within and can back it up with a sound case in its favor, I would be shocked. (No offense but you can clearly tell how I feel about TBW and I truly don't believe anyone can really tackle my arguments on the film so far.)
     
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    Well, I like The Beast Within a lot, but I'd never argue that it's a "smart" or "realistic" movie. (see my original HorrorDVDs.com review: http://www.horrordigital.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=364

    It's pretty dumb, yet enjoyable just the same. And while I do like cerebral horror the most, let's face it, if "smart" is what you want, this is the wrong genre to be a fan of.
     
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    The original Last House may have some redeeming qualities, the remake is a barely legal porn roughie dressed up as a horror film.
    Getting back to the original, pointing out that class struggle is at the epicenter of the original's raison d'etre does not make it 'extremely ambitious' to me since that theme has been expounded upon since class divisions exist. Karl Marx's writings on the subject were extremely ambitious, as it stands you won't convince me that the average horror fan watches this film to be enlightened, no, rather to be entertained by the sick acts gratuitously depicted within that inspired so much other revolting rape centered material.
    The bottom line is The Beast Within is a dumb but entertaining creature feature with a 10 second rape scene that is anything but gratuitous. Last House On The Left is a cheapjack, exploitation film that has been accorded cult status for pioneering depictions of onscreen violence much of it sexual. I know which one I find more offensive and disturbing-thanks.
    The fact some can legitimize Last House as being an allegory for class struggle does not make it any less offensive to me, the theme is revisited in the original Hills Have Eyes with less emphasis on sexual violence and even at that does not dictate an intellectual film to me. Straw Dogs accomplished what Last House set out to do in a much more effective way, with a fraction of the low budget porn level aesthetic of Last House.
    In the end I would argue that Last House On The Left is primarily about class struggle, in the same way that Forced Entry is about the Vietnam war and post-traumatic stress disorder.
     
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    I saw The Beast Within for the first time last night on the Shout disc. I think this movie is way underrated and deserves more praise than it gets. Sure, some actors show as much depth as a piece of paper, but the music, cinematography, special effects, and creep factor are far above most low budget 80's fare.

    To me it felt like a film that was made in the 70's with the southern grit, pacing, and even the trailer. I did not expect two rape scenes (even as short and non-graphic as they are) which in my mind are 70's trademarks. My wife even asked me if it was a 70's movie.
     
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    Part of the appeal of The Beast Within (except for maybe Juggalo here, who's just seeing it for the first time) is as a time piece for us oldies here. You know, get off my lawn and all that. As I mentioned in my review, this was a staple of early 80s cable movie channels like Showtime, in the pre-VHS era. They didn't show too many of the really gory movies of the time (like say, Dawn of the Dead or Maniac), so The Beast Within was kind of the only effects-laden movie you could see at home. A lot of you really have no idea what it was like to not be able to see any movie at any time via some kind of video rental, and instead be at the mercy of the program director of pay channels or even over-the-air broadcasts.

    That's why I said in my review that it doesn't hold up as well as I remember it, yet I do still have the nostalgia factor of such a horror-deprived era.
     
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    I'm surprised Beast Within is occupying all the discussion while Crawlspace is getting none. Both are fun, but Crawlspace is definitely the better of the two.
     
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    bruce h Editor - CINEMA ARCANA

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    DARKMAN extras announced:

    • New interviews with Liam Neeson (!) and Frances McDormand
    • New interview with Larry Drake
    • New interview with Makeup Designer Tony Gardner
    • New interviews with actors Danny Hicks and Dan Bell
    • New interviews with Production Designer Randy Ser and Art Director Philip Dagort
    • Audio Commentary with director of photography Bill Pope
    • Vintage “Making of” and interview featurettes featuring interviews with Sam Raimi, Liam Neeson, Frances McDormand and more…
    • Vintage full-length interviews with Sam Raimi, Liam Neeson and Frances McDormand
    • Theatrical Trailer
    • TV Spots
    • Still Galleries – Posters & production stills, Behind the Scenes, Make-up Effects and Storyboards"
     
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    bruce h Editor - CINEMA ARCANA

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    I definitely rate Crawlspace a lot higher out of 10. It's a flawed but respectable piece of trash.


    The average horror fan doesn't exist. For starters.

    Next, your reading on the film doesn't apply to me in the slightest. Because what this film did is not cheap. This is one of the most powerful films I have ever seen. I say it's one of the 10 greatest horror films ever made. It's about a hell of a lot more than just class struggle. Which I indicated and you tossed off. It is literally one of the greatest time capsule horror films I have ever seen. It friggin' bottled everything that was relevant in that time period, both in America and in film itself. (That is, film's portrayal of violence, since that's the main theme of the film.) It was intended to be one of the first American horror or exploitation films to ever show the actual effects of violence. Both what it does to the victims and the perpetrators. With a clear eye for how it had been shown previously (if it was graphic, it was made impossible to take seriously as in Hershell Gordon Lewis's films, if it wasn't- it was typically a shoot-'em-up western) and how to break ground with a new portrayal of a horrifically violent event.

    The film is not cheap: it's fuckin' iconic. It wasn't a fluke or a well-pitched sell. This was a defining moment in horror. If you missed out on why, that's your problem. If you can only focus on the rape, like so many other short-sighted clowns (the kind of person who typically just say: well I Spit on Your Grave or Night Train Murders was more "realistic"), it sure as hell isn't my problem or something I am going to take any guff over. And if you don't like me taking umbrage with your bullshit comparison, tough. There is a world of fucking difference between treating a human being's struggle for life as though they are still a human being and treating that person like they are a prop. I've said this before and I will say it again: I saw it with someone who literally cried during Mari's death scene. I know this movie works. And I know Craven thought of his characters as people. I've heard him speak at length about the film.
     
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    Well we knew from the beginning they were using the same transfer, so it's all about the extras, and to me it looks like they delivered pretty well. High Def Digest gave them a 5 stars out of 5.
     
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    Happy to report that my second viewing of The Beast Within was a massive step up. It was exactly the type of movie I wanted to see - grim and grimy, dark and bloody, and treated itself deadly serious. Very, very happy with this one.
     
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    iam happy for such a great transfer too...
     
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    Can´t believe noone has yet to mention this awesome announcement on this forum :D

    The Final Terror on Blu-Ray!
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    "**EXTRA-EXCITING SURPRISE TITLE ANNOUNCEMENT!**

    Our 2014 "Summer of Fear" release schedule is about to get even better with the following title reveal--one which we're sure will please so many of you that have requested it. The long-lost 1983 slasher film THE FINAL TERROR is coming to Blu-ray & DVD for the first time ever!

    As some of you already know, this killer-in-the-woods entry stars an eclectic group of stars including Rachel Ward (The Thorn Birds, Night School), Daryl Hannah (Splash, Blade Runner), Adrian Zmed (Grease 2, Bachelor Party, TJ Hooker) and Joe Pantoliano (The Sopranos).

    We're aiming for a July release. No details on extras to report at this time but the key art you see here - adapted from the original theatrical key art - is final (no pun intended). "

    FINALLY we will be able to see what the hell is going on in the darkness. :banana:
    The old VHS was basically pitchblack during those scenes.

    Maybe I should have made a new thread dedicated to this movie?
     
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    What are you talking about, this was mentioned ages ago in the Shout! Thread...;)
     
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    God dammit, I guess I really AM going blind then :glasses:
    My bad :D
     

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