Blue Sunshine

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    I wonder how much cheaper this might have been if they hadn't included the pointless DVD and soundtrack CD...
     
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    If you go by the production cost of the stand alone DVD and CD discs combined you'd only knock off around $2.
     
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    $2 in production costs does not come out to a cost of $2 to the consumer, it has to come out to more or else they don't make any profit.
     
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    True, but I think the real costs were the transfer and all that. That's the unavoidable, large expense. Manufacturing is not where the cost is, it's in all the other parts. I'm grateful for both the DVD and especially the soundtrack - Grindhouse and Blu Underground have been doing the same thing and it is much appreciated.
     
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    For 35 bucks i think its a deal
     
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    I really think that the DVD and CD are only there so they can charge more and the comments about the cost of CD and DVD production only make me more confident in this assumption. Regardless, my point is the same; the release is overpriced and the DVD and CD only add to this cost. The only thing of value in the package is the BD because all the other stuff already exists in some other form but in order to get the BD you have to pay for these things as well. I could see if the movie was never on DVD before but that is not the case and the DVD will probably never see the inside of a player for most that buy this.
     
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    While I'm personally, at least at this time, not buying the release because I think the movie is just so-so, but $30 USD for a Blu-ray/DVD/CD combo for a movie with a new 4k scan with a ton of extras, in special packaging (an embossed slip cover) from a small company who likely aren't making units over 3000 copies is pretty fairly priced if you ask me. As someone who's actually licensed a movie and released a DVD, it's not cheap when you have to pay licensing fees, restoration costs, create extra features (on your own dime or pay someone else to make them/purchase them), shipping, etc. The price to get the product is usually the cheapest cost involved, so releasing this as just a stand-alone Blu-ray in a regular case I'd still think they'd sell it for no less than $25 out of the gate, since they'd have the additional costs of paying for extra packaging should they want to also release the DVD and CD separate outside the Blu-ray package. To include everything in one package is the easiest choice for them to cover all their bases and appease the demands of consumers in the the simplest way.

    But more specifically to your preference that you have no use for the DVD/CD doesn't mean there are consumers out there who'd want this disc that don't have Blu-ray players (hell, there are more than a few forum members who are still DVD-only) so to say since it's been out on DVD before that the inclusion of a DVD with a NEW transfer isn't of worth is bogus. If you don't need them, sell them for $5 to a friend to make up what you'd probably be paying for the Blu-ray-only version.
     
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    I'm much more excited about the prospect of money falling from the sky- because that's what it would take for me to be able to afford to upgrade to Blu-Ray. Considering everything that keeps going OOS & OOP, leading to price hikes up to $75- before S&H.
     
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    You disagree with me but then make more or less the same assumption from my first post when you say that

    because that's exactly what I've been saying, the price would be more reasonable if it were only a BD.
    I get that the DVD is more valuable to some than others but the same thing applies to that, people who don't have BD players wouldn't have to pay $35 to get the movie on DVD if there were standalone editions. This thing is an even worse deal if you're DVD only.
     
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    Twilight Time's Blob release really traumatized you. I don't really see these being ALL THAT expensive. I really only buy 70s/80s and mostly from the boutique labels and ONLY horror. So my spending is pretty specific.

    I have maybe 5-10 non horror Blus that I actually own (Jaws, Godfather Trilogy, etc.). I can rent the classics, and I see most new non-horror movies for free through my work. From what I can tell you tend to buy in volume across all genres. I bet in the end we spend the same, I'm just a little more specific in my purchases.

    Edit: I forgot I have a lot of Pixar Blus, but that's because I have a kid.
     
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    My commentary on this issue has nil to do with any expectation for change. I have endless evidence on my side, you have enthusiasm. My posts are not disparaging your enthusiasm, your posts are direly lacking in the sort of economical considerations I cannot work around. You can't compare us, we are not the same.

    Furthermore, I detect a certain note of: "if you don't vote" (buy Blu-Ray), "you have no right to complain." Well... George Carlin said it's the people who don't vote who have the most right to complain. I'm going with George on this one. You think it's perfectly reasonable for an edition of The Blob to be floating around for almost $80. I think it's the kind of absurdity comparable to people who whip out their cellphones when a person is being assaulted in public instead of doing anything to stop it. There is literally no need for it. No excuse could possibly be argued. When a disc reaches $80 (that's facetiousness talking- I start sharping my motherfucking ax well before we hit $50), it's time to take it off the fucking market. Twilight Time's most coveted disc, Christine, is only $60+ because Sony or whoever re-released the film. And as if that weren't enough, TT currently have dueling editions of Fright Night out there, both going for over $90 a piece. Far as I can tell, your defense for that is: get a time machine.

    Hey: I mentioned more crazy overpriced fucking discs than just The Blob. Are you proud of me or what? But, frankly, when TT were charging $90 for 3 DVD's: The Blob, The Believers, and Audrey Rose, every last one of them were overpriced. Do you know what I fucking expect for $90 on a wave of three movies? I expect I'll be getting the definitive, end-of-all-times, never-buy-again editions of Evil Dead, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and either Dawn of the Dead or Halloween. Yep. This is coming from someone who doesn't collect international Fulci posters (I'm fucking poor) or desk / display case toys of Jason from 5 different movies and Pinhead and Leatherface, etc (still fucking poor over here) or mask replicas and cosplay accessories and T-shirts bought from convention vendors. I am well aware of both: there are more expensive things out there (or, there were before Blu) and the notion that "hey, is $30 so much for the thing that gave you the zeal for that character you love that you bought posters and toys of / that thing that started it all; overall?" But, you know what? FUCK THAT. If someone's going to act like you have all the time in the world to buy during the tiny window these ultra-exclusive Blus are sold for below triple digit figure / if someone's going to argue "get a time machine," then I get to say "2 words: double dipping."

    If all I expect is that people can't stop me from arguing against Blu, I indeed have a fucking time machine. It's called double, and triple, and quadruple, and quintuple-dipping. We've all bought these movies before. Just because some of us bought bootlegs and Australian, Japanese, German, Brazilian, whatever/wherever editions just to have the complete movie and I didn't, doesn't mean I can't keep bitching about this. What I have to say is no more absurd than someone saying it's no big deal that Twilight Time exist. Or that Synapse's Tenebre is double the price of Arrow's and has an arguably inferior slate of bonuses- but, hey, transfer. Buy both- apparently we're all millionaires. Thank you for engaging me on this: after nearly 4 hours writing this response (it's been heavily edited), you've managed to drudge up a great deal more outrage and anger than has been expressed in these 3 paragraphs. (My outtakes are mostly political. And I'm not afraid to call Blu-Ray the White Privilege of home video formats.)
     
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    I apologize if I created outrage, I envisioned it more as an easy back-n-forth about formats. I may have been under thinking your point of view, but I believe you may be overthinking mine. As I've said before Blu Ray is my only vice. And I missed The TT Blob and won't pay $80 for it either, so we're not as far apart as you think. It will come out again eventually.
     
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    Nah. Just warmed it up without trying to. The problem is that we all let things fester for so long. And, by that, I'm of course talking about much more than the death of physical media. But, frankly, Blu-Ray isn't making things better there either. It's putting a greater strain on people's patience, time, and resources. Not just mine. I'm just lucky to actually be ahead of the curve/curb for once.
     
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    When I first watched Blue Sunshine I knew almost nothing about the plot and I really dug it. For whatever reason even the most brief plot synopses for this film reveal too much of the story in my opinion (essentially what the movie's title refers to). I'm not sure why this plot reveal is treated so cavalierly, because the film itself treats it like a mystery.

    Of course it's also a 40-year-old cult classic so most genre fans are long familiar with it, but if you've never seen it I advise watching before reading anything about it. It plays much better when, like the main characters, you don't know what the fuck is going on.

    This release looks stellar, the packaging alone is like porn for physical media geeks.
     
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    I don't get the disdain for the blu-ray format, though. If you don't want to play Twilight Time or this company's game, then don't. I don't. Their exclusive rights to all of these films will lapse at some point, just as it did with Christine, and we'll eventually see other releases. Blu-ray discs, at this point, are just about the same price DVD's were at a similar point in their lifespan. Players are dirt cheap now. You can a name brand player for around $50, something off-brand for even less. The preorders I recently placed for the Basket Case 2 and 3 blu-rays were $12.99 each. To put that into perspective, Synapse's DVD of Brain Damage is $11.99 for a new copy. So the steelbook of Tenebrae was $40? It was limited. A lot of people just waited and now look, there's a standard blu-ray coming out with just about the same features. I don't know the exact MSRP but I would bet it's pretty close to Arrow's. A little patience and less anger can get you far with collecting VHS/DVD's/Blu-rays/just about anything that's collectible. You don't need to be rich to buy blu-rays. Hell, you don't even need to be middle class. I'm not wealthy by any means. I don't have money to collect every piece of memorabilia put out. I choose one release of a movie to own for both space and financial reasons. Years back I was making $9-10 an hour, paying rent, car insurance, utilities, internet, etc. and I still found ways to put money aside to gradually buy the blu-rays on my wishlist. Stick with DVD if you want, that's your prerogative, but I also feel that that means there's one less person buying newer physical media and that's a little less profit the entertainment industry will see. They won't look at it as "sales are low, what can we do to bring more customers in?" They'll see the soaring viewership of Netflix, Hulu, etc. and the shrinking physical media sales and go "maybe we should start looking at abandoning physical media altogether."
     
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    Not a TT fan, but how is someone selling one of their discs for $80 their responsibility? They never priced it that high. These are the same complaints from VHS collectors. YOU (the collector) created the demand. YOU (again, the collector) created the perceived value of the disc by wanting it. That's the free market. They have every right to sell something they own for whatever price they want. You don't have to buy it from some shitty scalper selling it for 3x what it's worth. If everyone just stopped giving in to these shitheads and paying them exorbitant amounts of money, then this problem wouldn't occur as often.
     
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    Amen.
     

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