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Discussion in 'High Definition' started by Zombie Dude, Jun 2, 2013.
Ok, so far the first post has been updated with 3 titles that we know have better PQ.
Arrow's Black Sunday Blu-ray > Kino's Black Sunday Blu-ray
The Arrow transfer has a slightly higher bitrate, and is a tad brighter with some more detail. The Kino's actually looks a touch dark comparatively. And the Arrow wins big-time when it comes to supplemental material:
Same content on both releases:
- The Mask of Satan cut (although Kino's is actually shorter, missing a small bit of footage)
- Audio commentary by Tim Lucas
- US trailer
- International Trailer
- TV spot
- Other Bava trailers
- A.I.P. re-edited and re-dubbed Black Sabbath cut with Les Baxter score
- two audio options for the Mask of Satan cut: Italian and European English
- intro to the film by author and critic Alan Jones
- interview with Barbara Steele
- deleted scene from the Italian version with notes by Tim Lucas
- I Vampiri feature film (Italy's first sound horror film co-directed by Bava)
- US I Vampiri trailer ‘The Devil’s Commandment’
- reversible cover featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Graham Humphreys
- Booklet with new writings on the film by Matt Bailey and Alan Jones
- Blu-ray/DVD combo
Thanks MorallySound, I updated the first post with your info
I also own Arrow's version of The Funhouse and remember being quite surprised that my receiver clearly indicated it as being encoded with "DTS 2.0 Stereo", despite simply stating 2.0 Stereo (which to me means a Dolby audio codec) as it does on the packaging. If it were a lossless track, my receiver would've shown DTS-HD MSTR on the display, which it does not, so I guess it's a lossy 2 channel track. I haven't seen the SF release so I can't comment on how their 5.1 track sounds.
I think the original 2.0 mix on Arrow sounds great.
I often prefer the original stereo mixes, as many 5.1 remixes just sounds unnatural, and often they throw some effects in the rear channels, that are not supposed to be there, just for the hell of it, which often can be distracting. And I hate when they add new sound FX to fill the back channels with. Though, I don´t know how well done the Scream Factory remix is.
I have a really outdated audio system from 10+ years ago so I can't really comment on Arrow's audio quality. However, I always thought their video quality was pretty good and their extras and packaging often outshine other releases elsewhere.
I agree! Pretty much the reason why I choose Arrow over the domestic SF version. Similar to the debate I had when choosing between BU's Zombie vs Arrow's release. It came down to sound mix and transfer or special features and transfer. As much as I enjoy a well done audio mix, I just had to go for the features.
I thought the two channel DTS on the Arrow BD was actually rather good and was probably authentic to the original early 80s Dolby Stereo mix. I was only wondering how it compared to the 5.1 on the Shout release. I did notice quite alot of surround activity throughout the film and the score sounded great. It is though the only BD i own that says DTS 2.0 on my reciever but if it sounds decent enough who cares what the codec is. As i said before this has the same 1.5mbps bitrate as all my BDs that use uncompressed 2.0 channel LPCM.
The only Arrow that I own is Forbidden Zone which, as far as I know, has no US parallel on blu ray. It kicks all sorts of ass and is just as good as anything that Criterion produces.
Looks like Arrow's Blu-ray of Black Sabbath easily out-trumps the Kino bare-bones release: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews30/black_sabbath.htm
I like Arrow better for their non-horror releases
It goes without saying, but their release of Vamp easily beats the weak barebones US blu-ray from Image.
Another DVDBeaver comparison where the Arrow Video release is superior to the US release: Dressed to Kill.
been waiting on needles for that comparison but I only get the mgm version on my webpage....hmm
edit: it showed using IE insteaad of firefox, og figure
Don't know if I agree with that. Like just about all of Arrow's releases, it seems a little too bright. I think the MGM disc looks slightly better and apparently has the better audio track unless you prefer the original stereo track. It does look like it has the better extras though so I'll give you that.
Arrow's having a sale at their website on their 2013 releases so far -- it's a pretty good deal on those Bava flicks and some others. (I'm probably grabbing SPIDER BABY and FOXY BROWN.)
Just won a Blu ray of Arrow's The Exterminator release on Ebay for just over £5 which i thoughtbwas abit of a bargain. Is this release similar to the Synapse version? I cant really find any reviews of the Arrow BD.
I was doing some looking around and according to Caps-a-holic Arrows blu of Deep Red has a higher bitrate than Blue Undergounds blu. For some reason I always thought it was the other way around.
Agreed on the PQ side of things, the Arrow version is a little too bright for my taste.
Did like 'The Car' on Arrow but I sold off my Arrow versions of;
Demons 1 & 2- swapped for the Synapse edition which pretty much blows the Arrow release out of the water
Tenebrae for the Wildside version...
Phenomena - awaiting the Synapse release (Arrow version was good but I think it can be improved upon)
Inferno - never liked the look of the Arrow release so I replaced it with Blue Underground release.
City of the Living dead - Again, swapped to the BU version...
If you're looking for supplements you can't go wrong... however their Arrow logo looks like a butt plug... sorry but it does.
I thought City of the Living Dead was meant to be pretty much the same as BU?